Saturday, January 05, 2008

Marshall Brain is Ignorant

Or, "Why He Doesn't Know 'How Things Work'"

Last updated April 26th, 2009. Check the News and Updates section.

In Marshall Brain's mind, it's easy to prove that God is imaginary.
In my mind, it's easy to prove that Marshall Brain is ignorant.
  1. Try praying
  2. Statistically analyze prayer
  3. Watch the offering plate
  4. Think about science
  5. Read the Bible
  6. Ponder God's plan
  7. Understand religious delusion
  8. Think about Near Death Experiences
  9. Understand ambiguity
  10. Look at all historical gods
  11. Notice that there is no scientific evidence
  12. See the magic
  13. Take a look at slavery
  14. Examine Jesus' miracles
  15. Examine Jesus' resurrection
  16. Contemplate the contradictions
  17. Think about Leprechauns
  18. Imagine heaven
  19. Notice that you ignore Jesus
  20. Notice your church
  21. Understand Jesus' core message
  22. Count all the people God wants to murder
  23. Listen to the Doxology
  24. Ask why religion causes so many problems
  25. Understand evolution and abiogenesis
  26. Notice that the Bible's author is not "all-knowing"
  27. Think about life after death
  28. Notice how many gods you reject
  29. Think about communion
  30. Examine God's sexism
  31. Understand that religion is superstition
  32. Talk to a theologian
  33. Contemplate the crucifixion
  34. Examine your health insurance policy
  35. Notice Jesus' myopia
  36. Realize that God is impossible
  37. Think about DNA
  38. Contemplate the divorce rate among Christians
  39. Realize that Jesus was a jerk
  40. Understand Christian motivations
  41. Flip a coin
  42. Listen when "God talks"
  43. Realize that a "hidden God" is impossible
  44. Think about a Christian housewife
  45. Consider Noah's Ark
  46. Ponder Pascal's Wager
  47. Contemplate Creation
  48. Compare prayer to a lucky horseshoe
  49. Look at who speaks for God
  50. Ask Jesus to appear
Also, check out the Executive Summary of this refutation.

The question of God's existence and whether there's any truth to religion is the most important question that we can ask as individuals. Why? Because if God does exist, then everything we do might end up having eternal consequences and should redirect our lives in order to please God. If God does not exist, we should not be living our lives praying to and worshiping a being that isn't really there and should redirect our lives.

There are some people who say that God exists. Some believe that this is obvious, and there are many ways of proving it. They often cite the beauty of nature as an example of God's existence. Sometimes, it's answered prayer. Sometimes it's the complexity of the universe. It could be revelation in scriptures, or miracles, or the existence of logical absolutes, or the existence of morality, or even the drive we have to make our lives have purpose that make God's existence obvious to these people. The largest religion currently is Christianity, with billions of purported followers.

There are some people who believe that God does not exist. Some also believe that this is obvious, and that there are many ways of proving it. They may believe that evil in the world is incompatible with God. They may think that God has certain attributes that are incompatible with each other. It could be Bible contradictions, or the hypocrisy of believers, or the lack of answered prayer, or our moral autonomy, or God's lack of tangibility that make God's nonexistence obvious to these people. These people are collectively known as atheists.

There is one such atheist who is named Marshall Brain. If you've ever visited the website, "How Stuff Works Dot Com," then you may be familiar with this man. In fact, he's the founder of the website. Brain has made a pretty good name for himself; he has even appeared on Oprah and other talk shows demonstrating, well, how things work. But seemingly more unknown about him that Marshall Brain also founded two different atheistic websites. One asks the question, "Why Won't God Heal Amputees?" formerly known as, "Why Does God Hate Amputees?" It attempts to prove God's nonexistence by saying that God doesn't answer the prayers of amputees when they ask Him to heal them, and the only explanation of this is that God doesn't exist. However, it does this in a very methodical, easy-to-read and, in a word, gentle way. The second website, however, is much more straightforward. It is called "God Is Imaginary." It lays out fifty reasons why God doesn't exist and doesn't bother to apologize.

I, myself, am a Christian theist. When I came across Marshall Brain's writings initially, they caused doubt about my faith because I had never seen anything like it before. And then, after thinking through them for a long time and consulting other opinions, I soon realized my mistake in analysis: Marshall Brain's arguments were almost the laughing stock of atheism. Even many atheists that I have encountered really dislike the guy and his arguments, saying that they give their beliefs a bad name. But at the same time, Brain has developed quite a following on the internet who follow his beliefs almost as if it were a religion in itself.

I was blown away that someone could so seriously believe what he was saying. And so I took it upon myself to respond individually to every single proof on God Is Imaginary. I began in July of 2006, with the help of a friend, and finished it the following year. Eventually, I rewrote the proofs that my friend had written, and it was officially completed on September 25, 2007.

This is the finished product. I'm glad you visited, and I encourage you to post your feedback at the bottom of each response, where there is a comment section. Or, you could pay a visit to the Message Board. Read at your leisure, but be sure to think about what I've said, and think about what he said. Think about everything, and make a decision.

This page originally posted July 11th, 2006, and was edited and completely rewritten on January 26th, 2008.

9 comments:

J.L. Hinman said...

you are great. keep up the good work. I am a friend of Bede's and I strated the CADRE which you link to. Please link to my blog too.

http://metacrock.blogspot.com/

I am also trying to build traffic on a bran new message board. come post there and please link to it.

thanks.

http://www.doxa.ws/forum/

J.L. Hinman said...

ps I am linking to you

Patrick Dunnevant said...

I'll go ahead and update my links, especially since I have my own special link on the CADRE website! :-)

Thanks for the encouragement!

Frank Walton said...

Patrick,

Can you email me: atheismsucks(at)yahoo(dot)com

Thanks,

Frank

Sully said...

My good sir, your site is a wonderful example of why debates between theists and atheists are utterly futile.

I'm an atheist, I'm writing a dissertation on the subject, and whilst I agree with the main thrust of what Harris, Hitchens and Dawkins have to say, I am still willing to call them out for perhaps being too smug in pointing out the willed ignorance of believers (which drives them deeper into their trenches).

It's hard to be passionate about disbelief, because that's what atheism is. You misrepresent the 'beliefs' of atheism in a rather unfair fashion, and use semantic worming to avoid difficult questions.

I appreciate and understand that you have your beliefs, but I hope that one day you tire of the mental gymnastics and allow rationality to seep in, even if it's only for a few moments. One's life is so much richer when they realise that all the evidence points towards it being the only thing they have.

On a closing note, I'd like to offer some advice, and tell you not to make any reference to the Bible in your attempts to prove atheists wrong, because most atheists would gleefully ridicule you for it, so weak is it as a rhetorical device outside of the theistic bubble.

Sorry about the heft of this comment. Won't happen again.

Patrick Dunnevant said...

My good sir, your site is a wonderful example of why debates between theists and atheists are utterly futile.

I'm an atheist, I'm writing a dissertation on the subject,

So is your dissertation "utterly futile?"

and whilst I agree with the main thrust of what Harris, Hitchens and Dawkins have to say, I am still willing to call them out for perhaps being too smug in pointing out the willed ignorance of believers (which drives them deeper into their trenches).

I won't deny that some theists have willed ignorance in their avoidance of certain topics. However, I don't like to think that I do.

It's hard to be passionate about disbelief, because that's what atheism is. You misrepresent the 'beliefs' of atheism in a rather unfair fashion, and use semantic worming to avoid difficult questions.

Can you give me some examples here? I'm interested in seeing which questions I have wormed my way out of, or how I am misrepresenting anything.

I appreciate and understand that you have your beliefs, but I hope that one day you tire of the mental gymnastics and allow rationality to seep in, even if it's only for a few moments.

When you accuse me of not using rationality, what you forget that you're actually saying is that I didn't really think about any of the fifty word-for-word responses that I wrote. This is merely a rhetorical technique that's meaningless.

One's life is so much richer when they realise that all the evidence points towards it being the only thing they have.

No, all the evidence does not point to atheism. I have given a great deal of evidence that Christianity is true that you haven't responded to.

On a closing note, I'd like to offer some advice, and tell you not to make any reference to the Bible in your attempts to prove atheists wrong, because most atheists would gleefully ridicule you for it, so weak is it as a rhetorical device outside of the theistic bubble.

Not sure what you mean. I never refer to the Bible as God's word, nor do I say that its true by definition.

Sorry about the heft of this comment. Won't happen again.

I don't mind hefty comments in the slightest.

Coby said...

Hey Patrick, Man i love what you are doin. I saw that 10 questions thing and it made me furious, so furious i was screaming at the tv. i was so mad that someone would have the nerve to question God and mess with his authority like that. But then I saw your reply to 10 questions and I realized man this guy has it goin on, brain really is ignorant. So i checked out ur blog and man I was up LAAAATE readin alot of this stuff. I couldn't help but notice man...some of ur posts, atheists have no comment on. Specifically the ones where you completely crush Brain's "rational" reasoning. It's beautiful man. But hey anyways, I'm Coby and I think wat ur doin is awesome brother, God be with you. if you ever need anything just holler. I'm tryin 2 get a myspace goin 2 help lost soulds find Christ, and I was wondering if you might be able 2 help? the link I put for my name is that myspace, so if you could assist me in gettin the word out id greatly appreciate it brother. God Bless You, and keep it up!

Your Brother in Christ,
-Coby

Michael Denigris said...

Hi Pattrick. I get pretty damn frustrated when i get into a theological debate with an atheist. they tend to ask the same questions and give the same answers which are broad open ended questions that are impossible to provide proof. When i first saw your video RE: 10 questions... I was amazed at your knowledge and would like to congratulate you on your fight against ignorant atheists. I have these two guys on the Youtube video ( this should keep us all thinking; by nat21paris) that are quite stubborn and ruin the inspirational environment set by the video. is there any way i can convince you to have a word with them. my youtube account is mikeyshades24 and my email is h3rockz@yahoo.com if you would like to talk. keep us the good work man.

Michael Denigris said...

p.s the people on youtube i mentioned are; THETADTED, and MGMSketchpad