Disappointing. This is nothing but a rehashing of another proof.
Here is a line of reasoning that Christians will frequently use to try to rationalize the complete lack of evidence for God's existence. In the book "The Case for Faith," the author Lee Stroble interviews Peter Kreeft, Ph.D. Dr. Kreeft says the following: (Wow, Brain is actually reading apologetics literature! Of course, even something as simplistic as The Case for Faith went straight over his head.)
"Scripture describes God as a hidden God. You have to make the effort of faithClues? Hidden? According to the Bible God incarnated himself. He created an entire human body named Jesus. That is not a "clue" -- that is a huge, obvious piece of evidence. No it's not...Hi, I'm Jesus. Do you believe me? Why not? Isn't it obvious? It is very hard to "hide" a 170-pound human being who is running around performing miracles on every street corner. Then you collect the stories of those miracles and publish them in a book. Where is the hiding in that? It's obviously hidden enough, since you don't believe that the Bible is anything special. If it really were obvious, you'd have already converted.
to find him. There are clues you can follow. And if that weren't so, if there
was something more or less than clues, it's difficult for me to understand how
we could really be free to make a choice about him."
There are examples of God's desire for publicity throughout the Bible. The best known is God's parting of the Red Sea in the book of Exodus, chapter 14:
Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD drove the sea back by a strong east wind all night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided. And the people of Israel went into the midst of the sea on dry ground, the waters being a wall to them on their right hand and on their left.
That is impressive, and it is utterly obvious. Thousands of Israelites witnessed this event. Yet those thousands of people make up about %0.00000000000000 (ad nauseum) 1 percent of the people who have lived. I don't see the issue. There are many other events that are equally obvious: manna from heaven, the Ten Commandments carved onto stone tablets, the Passover massacre and so on. All of it is described in the Bible, which God wrote so that billions of people can read about these events and experience them vicariously today. It's worth noting that in the years after the parting of the Red Sea, much of the Isrealites fell into apostasy.
JP Holding has this to say, though it's essentially what I've been saying already: "Mr. Brains is furthermore oblivious, again, to the point that miracles like the parting of the Red Sea were 1) performed very rarely over thousands of years of history; 2) were performed in the main before persons whose primary loyalty was already towards God (the Israelites -- most Egyptian witnesses died!). It is mere contrivance for Mr. Brains to use the argument that "billions of people can read about these events and experience them vicariously today" -- well, billions of people can do the same for the resurrection; so when will Mr. Brains convert?"
It is pretty hard to hide something that you do in front of thousands of people and then describe and publish in billions of books. Clearly God is not a hidden God. And again, if they were so obviously acts of God, you'd already be a Christian. This is something you fail to address.
To put it simply, you're being naive. You're saying that publishing a book through humans is just as obvious as something like regenerating an amputee's limb, for example. This is ridiculous.
But there is an even more impressive sign that we often forget. If God exists and God wrote the Bible, then rainbows are actually proof that God exists. God is not hiding at all. If you read Genesis 9:12-13 you will find this:
And God said, "This is the sign of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all future generations: I set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and the earth..."
What could be more obvious than that? God left a sign for all future generations, according to the Bible. Clearly God does not want to hide. Again, if it was so obvious, you'd be a Christian.
I don't have the patience to do each example he gives. They're all exactly the same. What's key to understand is what JP said earlier:
- Biblical miracles were performed very rarely over thousands of years of history.
- Biblical miracles were performed in the main before persons whose primary loyalty was already towards God (the Israelites -- most Egyptian witnesses died!).
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written. (John 21:25)
That's an awful lot of miracles -- so many that the world would not have room for all the books describing them. Presumably at least one person witnessed each miracle. Think of how many names fill just one phone book. Now imagine a whole world full of phone books. That's a lot of people. Weren't all of their free wills affected? How is God hiding if millions of people saw Jesus and the miracles he performed?
This is fundamentalist atheism at it's worst. For all you atheists out there who think it doesn't exist (you're probably one of them if you think it doesn't) then read this a few times. Marshall Brain still interprets this verse literally even as an atheist. What an idiot.
Jesus claims to be God, and Jesus is a physical being running around Israel for all to see. He apparently performed millions of miracles in front of millions of people. Millions? Haha...Yeah, there sure are millions of people in Nazareth and Galilee! The God of the Bible is not hiding -- God is so hungry for publicity and exposure that he actually incarnates himself and then starts performing miracles for everyone on the planet. Please tell me why incarnating yourself as a normal human being is obvious. Then he creates a God-breathed book to describe everything and publishes billions of copies all over the world. How is that obvious?
Yet, for some reason, God wants none of us today to see any of those miracles because he "needs to remain hidden" so that he will not "taint our free wills." Does that seem likely? Yes, because the Bible itself demonstrates it. Or is it more likely that Jesus never performed a real miracle? Not a chance. You shouldn't oversimplify. When you combine this evidence with the fact that Jesus answers no prayers (start with Proof #1), it is clear to us what is actually happening. When you combine this evidence with Proof #1, you get a case that might convince %0.000000001 percent of the world. That's about six people, give or take a few. Those are all of your atheist groupies on YouTube. The idea that God is "hiding" is ridiculous. Nope. The fact is that God is completely imaginary, and that is the real reason why there is absoutely no evidence for God today. Your attempts to refute the evidence over these last 50 proofs have been ridiculous, contrived, emotional tantrums.
John Powell, an atheist over at TheologyWeb, disagrees with you when you say there is no evidence for God. Intelligent atheists would say that there is evidence, just not very good evidence, because when you say there is no evidence, you're denying that there are arguments and experiences that would cause people to believe.
Maybe you should stick to "There is no good evidence for God today." But even then, you're in a sticky position. Define "good."
See, the philosophy and theology rabbit holes go deeper than your little mind thought.
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16 comments:
Hey, I am new, but is the stuff in bold what you are saying? with everything else being the other guy?
That is correct. I used to put that at the top of every proof, but I stopped.
I'm the 2454 person to visit this shit hole blog huh, pretty weak P dunny. Obviously there is no help for you, you quote scripture like it wasn't written by douche bags 800 years after your main character was killed by the Romans, thats a long time. Does God talk to you when you write this shit, like they talked to the idiots that wrote the bible? Your fear of eternal damnation brought on by a supposedly ever loving all knowing being is a ridiculous way to travel through life. If you don't post this i will know you are a hypocrite, and won't that be ironic that you and Brain share more than you know, since you think he doesn't want people to see you tiny insignificant Also if the language doesn't suit your site censor me you fascist. One last thing and really the only question I want you point of view on. Do you believe the Universe is between 6 and 12 thousand years old? (assuming you know that is what the bible has taught fundamentalist Christians since it's inception) I have a one word question for you and your buddies; Dinosaurs? Please explain, because I know you won't find a sentence in the bible relating to this, what do you think? Take your time....
Wow, Cory. You're undoubtedly the most fundamentalist atheist I've ever had a conversation with. And that's a big deal, since I've had a lot of conversations. Consider yourself accomplished.
I'm the 2454 person to visit this shit hole blog huh, pretty weak P dunny. Obviously there is no help for you, you quote scripture like it wasn't written by douche bags 800 years after your main character was killed by the Romans, thats a long time.
....WHAAAAAAT?! Is that a typo, or are you serious? Eight hundred years after Jesus died? If you really believe that, then you're so far off the lunatic scale that I'm surprised you aren't locked down in a padded room being spoon fed baby food all day.
And even if it is a typo, what's your basis for dating the Gospels to 110 A.D.? Most scholars date them somewhere in the 70s and 80s range, so you're going to provide your criteria for dating ancient documents. Judging by your demeanor, it's whatever Acharya S or Kersey Graves tell you, I suppose. You most likely accept everything uncritically.
Does God talk to you when you write this shit, like they talked to the idiots that wrote the bible?
No. I wouldn't be arrogant enough to say that God speaks to me and does my work for me.
Also, I disagree with your characterization of the doctrine of "inspiration."
Your fear of eternal damnation brought on by a supposedly ever loving all knowing being is a ridiculous way to travel through life.
Sorry, but I have no fear of eternal damnation. I never did.
By the way, believing that the universe popped into existence completely uncaused by itself, believing that there is no purpose to anyone's life (but living life as if there is one), and then getting angry whenever a Christian defends themselves and posting ridiculous claims as comments and most likely never returning is a ridiculous way to travel through life.
If you don't post this i will know you are a hypocrite, and won't that be ironic that you and Brain share more than you know, since you think he doesn't want people to see you tiny insignificant Also if the language doesn't suit your
site censor me you fascist.
I wouldn't dream of not posting this comment. You seem to be operating under the impression that I'm afraid of you...If anything, I'd want everyone to know how ridiculous atheists have become. Oh wait...we already knew that.
I won't censor you, either. Profanity doesn't make you look cool; it only makes you look immature. I won't try to make you look more intelligent than you are...Which is not at all.
One last thing and really the only question I want you point of view on. Do you believe the Universe is between 6 and 12 thousand years old? (assuming you know that is what the bible has taught fundamentalist Christians since it's inception)
I'll currently say no. My default stance is an Old Earth Creationist. I believe in the Big Bang merely because there seems to be a lot of evidence to back it up. If I find there is evidence to support YECism, then I will certainly reconsider.
I have a one word question for you and your buddies; Dinosaurs? Please explain, because I know you won't find a sentence in the bible relating to this, what do you think? Take your time....
What, did you expect me to say, "Oh, what a baffling predicament! Wow, YEC is soundly defeated!" Despite being a tentative OEC, I'll answer this from a YEC point of view. AnswersInGenesis says:
"Most fossil dinosaur bones still contain the original bone.
Even when heavily permineralized (‘fossilized’), this does not need to require more than a few weeks. The Creation/Flood scenario for fossilization would allow many centuries for such permineralization to occur, even under less than ideal conditions.
Where bones have not been protected by permineralization, they are sometimes found in a condition which to all intents and purpose looks as if they are at most centuries, not millions of years old."
Chew on that for a while. I don't really feel like arguing with you about science, since it's outside my purview. However, I'll gladly discuss with you your ridiculous dating of the Gospels (whether it be 120 or 820 A.D.), the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ, or objective morality.
One last thing, and really the only question I want your point of view on.
"Why should God heal amputees?"
OK YOU WIN IM A CHRISTIAN NOW Ok so which one of the 33,830 Christian denominations in the world should I chose from? I better get it right, or maybe I could try for one of the other 10,000 religions recognized by the World Christian Encyclopedia. I was wrong about the 800 years. But you live your life wrong every day, so chalk up another victory for good vs. evil and God and pals. I don't believe swearing makes people seem less intelligent, I let their antiquated belief system do that for them. Do disclose your political affiliations to people on I have only one guess. God should heal amputees to prove that he is real, that or get his ass back to Earth stat. I fucking hate God and I hate people like you and I am allowed cause I choose free will.
You will never change, you will call me a douche in so many words declare victory. Your a worthless fucking human and I should be so lucky to have the rapture come and my body burn with fire and brimstone. I am not afraid to die, can you really say the same? Looking forward to your speech on the weaknesses of my argument. The point is I was fucking high when I wrote the first comment and now I see your not worth arguing with at all. You should listen to BILL HICKS stand up. "Your ignorance is beneath you and thanks to psychedelic drugs, I can see through you."
a fake ass easter bunny in the sky will never heal someone he cannot that is the answer. there is no hope for you patrick and will undoubtedly die without having experienced a full fruitful life having served god for most of it, are you a republican? where you molested as a youth? are you parents still married? have you ever been laid? are you a repressed closet homosexual? do you reject the science that brought you the home computer? have you been shovel feed this bullshit since you were born? do you live in middle america? how many hours a week do you devote to god? including church prayer, and judging. are you also a racist? why are we on earth first, why doesn't god just skip the bullshit and just ask the important question? do you like the documentary "Jesus Camp". do you think the war the US is waging on "terrorists" is a ideological fight between "good and evil"? do take medication? why was Mary such a lying slut? How many traffic tickets do you have? Do you speed and think God can't see you? Why is the bible your scientific textbook when you don't believe the anti-religious books that are also written by mortal men? Do you believe the slavery propagated in the bible is a good way to live your life also? Do you identify with other big name Christians; the KKK, Pat Roberts, George W Bush, Bill O'reilly, Ann Coulter? Do you believe in the separation of church and state? Why do insist on being such a stupid, small minded cunt? oh ya, do you do anal?
I was hoping you'd be back, cory. You amuse me greatly.
OK YOU WIN IM A CHRISTIAN NOW
Your attitude reflects well on your fellow atheists.
Ok so which one of the 33,830 Christian denominations in the world should I chose from? I better get it right, or maybe I could try for one of the other 10,000 religions recognized by the World Christian Encyclopedia.
Thanks for proving that you don't care about thinking objectively. The issue of the number of denominations and the number of religions is completely irrelevant. What matters is what is right.
I was wrong about the 800 years. But you live your life wrong every day, so chalk up another victory for good vs. evil and God and pals.
Yes, you were. You were quite, quite wrong.
You're also begging the question. Will you ever actually argue the point your trying to make, or will you continue to assume your worldview is true?
I don't believe swearing makes people seem less intelligent,
Right, because you can't make it a few sentences without dropping the F-bomb. Real mature, man.
I let their antiquated belief system do that for them.
Hold on. Since I'm not the one swearing, and you are, then you must be referring to your own belief system...
Do disclose your political affiliations to people on I have only one guess.
I'm sure you do. Would it interest you to know that probably the most outspoken atheist I personally know is a Republican?
Who cares about my political affiliation? If anything, they're "apathetic."
God should heal amputees to prove that he is real, that or get his ass back to Earth stat.
Why is it necessary for God to "prove" that he is real? Furthermore, why is it necessary for God to regenerate a limb to "prove" that he is real?
I fucking hate God and I hate people like you and I am allowed cause I choose free will.
Interesting. Aren't you an atheist? How in the world can you hate something you don't believe exists?
You want to know what else is interesting? The argument can be made that if atheism is true, all of our actions are controlled by chemical reactions in the brain, not anything by your own choice. So how did you come to the conclusion that you have "free will," with this in mind?
You will never change, you will call me a douche in so many words declare victory.
I've called you no such thing. I seem to recall that you're the one who showed up throwing the punches.
Your a worthless fucking human and I should be so lucky to have the rapture come and my body burn with fire and brimstone.
Oddly enough, I don't believe in either the "rapture" or the "fire and brimstone" theology.
I am not afraid to die, can you really say the same?
No. But I have a feeling that if someone pointed a gun in your face, you'd be cowering in fear as well. Of course, I'm not afraid of what will happens afterwards. Honestly, I think you should.
Looking forward to your speech on the weaknesses of my argument.
Sorry to dissapoint you cory, but you've gotta have an argument first before I can make a speech about it.
The point is I was fucking high when I wrote the first comment
Ah yes...Pothead atheists. Figures...
and now I see your not worth arguing with at all. You should listen to BILL HICKS stand up. "Your ignorance is beneath you and thanks to psychedelic drugs, I can see through you."
Yes, exactly what I need...
a fake ass easter bunny in the sky will never heal someone he cannot that is the answer.
So was that three sentences combined into one, or am I missing something?
What's your reason for equating a sentient creator with an "easter bunny?"
there is no hope for you patrick and will undoubtedly die without having experienced a full fruitful life having served god for most of it,
Hahaha. A "fruitful life" meaning what? Living life for myself and not serving others? Rebelling against authority because I feel like it? Seeing how many girls I can sleep with, perhaps? Oh, baby baby. Are you going to sit here and tell me that Mother Teresa didn't have a "fruitful life" because she "served god for most of it?"
are you a republican?
What is it with you people and asking for my political affiliations?
where you molested as a youth?
No.
are you parents still married?
For twenty-some years, yes.
have you ever been laid?
No. I say that with great pride, too.
are you a repressed closet homosexual?
Nope.
do you reject the science that brought you the home computer?
Not at all. Science is an incredible tool to view the universe in ways that we can't fully imagine.
have you been shovel feed this bullshit since you were born?
Well, I've been going to church since I was born, if that's what you mean. I'm sure that you're bitter about your life experience...
do you live in middle america?
Virginia, if that qualifies.
how many hours a week do you devote to god? including church prayer, and judging.
Judging? What are you trying to say?
But anyway, let's see...8:30-12:30 every Sunday...6:30-9 every Wednesday...Daily prayer and interaction with people like you. What's my total there, Einstien?
are you also a racist?
Can't say I am, no. Man, your church must have really blown.
why are we on earth first, why doesn't god just skip the bullshit and just ask the important question?
...What? What in the world are you talking about?
do you like the documentary "Jesus Camp".
I can't stand it. Every time I see footage of it, I shudder.
do you think the war the US is waging on "terrorists" is a ideological fight between "good and evil"?
I suppose, then, that you're also one of those picketers who stands near any type of military people they can find and screams out, "NOBODY DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED!" and all sorts of nonsense like that...
do take medication?
For acne. Does that count?
why was Mary such a lying slut?
Hahaha. Begging the question, aren't ya?
How many traffic tickets do you have?
None. Not a single one. No tickets, no accidents.
Do you speed and think God can't see you?
Sometimes I speed, and I know God sees me. Am I supposed to be terrified in fear now?
Why is the bible your scientific textbook when you don't believe the anti-religious books that are also written by mortal men?
Who said the Bible is my scientific textbook? Because it's not. I don't treat the Bible like some answer-all Ouija board.
Do you believe the slavery propagated in the bible is a good way to live your life also?
No, because indentured servitude in today's society isn't necessary. We've outgrown the concept of voluntary slavery.
Of course, you undoubtedly think that slavery in the Bible is just like 1700s American slavery. Have you researched this topic at all, by any chance?
Do you identify with other big name Christians; the KKK, Pat Roberts, George W Bush, Bill O'reilly, Ann Coulter?
Right, as if the KKK represents a great portion of Christianity...
Bush, O'Reilly, and Coulter are not "big name Christians." Their job is not centered around Christianity. They just happen to be famous people who are Christians. Robertson is different, since he hosts a TV show about Christianity. And no, I don't identify with him. Can't stand him, actually..
Do you believe in the separation of church and state?
Yes, to an extent. You atheists take that phrase WAY to far.
Why do insist on being such a stupid, small minded cunt?
Why do you insist on asking so many stupid, stupid questions? Are you ever going to actually rebut anything I've said on this entire blog, or are you going to sit up in your high chair and cry for your mother to bring you more ravioli?
oh ya, do you do anal?
Why? Are you interested?
Sorry, bud. My answer is no. But I'm sure there are plenty of people who would love to. They're over here:
NAMBLA
Oh, by the way:
If you're willing to initiate reasonable discourse, take a visit over at Theologyweb.com. It re-opens on Friday, and it's a great place to debate.
Hopefully I'll see you there, Cory. But be warned...They will censor your profanity.
I censored myself for most of this because It seems to be distracting you somehow. How old are you Patrick? I ask so many questions because I want to know as much as I can about your type of person. It's obvious that your an intelligent person. Something tells me you still have a lot of growing to do. Do you look up to G W Bush? Information is not the end all be all life requires a great amount of experience also, which it is apparent you lack in a bit. I would like to hear the evidence you offer for the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I also want to know how far away from Virgina you have traveled. Have you left this great country of ours and been someplace maybe out of your element? I don't think Virgina counts as middle America, but your defiantly further East then I expected. Was this whole Blog created because of Brain or did it morph into this because of Brain? How do you know without mentioning faith that you are 100% correct, and since your next question will probably be how I am so sure that I am correct. I don't, but I also have never been afraid or believed in something that was intangible.
I wish I could do some mushrooms with you. I think you would have fun and for sure you would learn something about yourself. I believe that Organized Religion on the whole was created to control, to keep people from questioning too much, oh you may question but your infected with a virus that eats reason and spits out complacency. Do you listen to only Christian music? Do you listen to music created by anyone between the 60's and 70's? Do you like being a sheep, do you consult God on everyone of life's decisions? If you do, you do not experience life to it's fullest. Are you waiting for marriage for you know? Do you have a girlfriend? Do you masturbate? If you were born into a godless atheist family would you somehow feel you were missing something in your life? How bad would your life have to be, for you to entertain the possibility that there isn't a god watching over you? Have you seen this video: http://www3.youtube.com/watch?v=qKb1LXxKNHY
It is full of science. What is your thoughts on this video? maybe a new blog is in order! I promise to post there also! When they finish the Human Genome Project will that be enough scientific evidence to make you reevaluate your situation? Also lively discussion can be obtained at the Raving Atheist Forum. I look forward to your responses. peace
Are you able to make points or do you just like making unsupported claims to make yourself feel intelligent? I'll make a deal with you... come to theologyweb.com tommorrow and I'll grill you there. Deal?
I censored myself for most of this because It seems to be distracting you somehow.
It doesn't distract me, it just exposes your immaturity. By all means, act as you are. Don't put on a mask.
How old are you Patrick?
Seventeen...I'll be eighteen in a few months.
I ask so many questions because I want to know as much as I can about your type of person.
"My type of person?" Why? Are we some sort of creature that needs to be studied? Do we have some disease that needs diagnosing?
It's obvious that your an intelligent person.
Well, thank you. Does that bother you?
Something tells me you still have a lot of growing to do.
And by that, you must mean "convert to atheism."
Do you look up to G W Bush?
I look up to him in the way that he's the President of the United States, and I'd feel incredibly honored if I could speak to him, meet him, or have dinner with him. Do I look up to him as a person in the way that you're implying? No.
Information is not the end all be all life requires a great amount of experience also, which it is apparent you lack in a bit.
I've never understood this ploy by atheists. First of all, they deny that Christian's spiritual experiences are real. Then they say that I haven't "experienced enough" in life, as if there's something I'll eventually experience that will convert me to atheism. Please make yourself clear here.
I would like to hear the evidence you offer for the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
I'll eventually be writing a large article compiling the best arguments I can find. But for now, here's a good place to start:
www.tektonics.org/lp/nowayjose.html
I also want to know how far away from Virgina you have traveled. Have you left this great country of ours and been someplace maybe out of your element?
As far as out of the country, I've been to Puerto Rico and several other places in the Bahamas area. In the country, I've been all over: California, Arizona, Colorado, Texas, Hawaii, Maine, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Georgia, New Jersey, Maryland, West Virginia...
I don't think Virgina counts as middle America, but your defiantly further East then I expected.
Now, why is that? Are all Christians supposed to live in a certain area?
Was this whole Blog created because of Brain or did it morph into this because of Brain?
I created it because of Brain. I simply got fed up with his nonsense and his brainwashing.
How do you know without mentioning faith that you are 100% correct, and since your next question will probably be how I am so sure that I am correct. I don't, but I also have never been afraid or believed in something that was intangible.
Firstly, your definition of "faith" is incorrect. Biblically, the Greek word for faith is "pistis" which means trust based on prior performance, not blind belief on something without evidence.
But the answer to your question is very simple: I don't know that I'm 100% correct. In fact, I'm probably not 100% correct on anything I believe, and nobody is. I'm sure you meant something along the lines of, "Are you 100% sure that Christianity is true?" in which case my answer would also be "No."
I wish I could do some mushrooms with you. I think you would have fun and for sure you would learn something about yourself.
This is extraordinarily telling.
Sorry though. I'll have to pass. I like to always remain in full control of my bodily functions and always be able to remember what I did the previous night, thank you very much.
I believe that Organized Religion on the whole was created to control,
This is true for some, but that idea is going to be very difficult to prove regarding Christianity. Take into account that all of the original Christians were killed or persecuted by the controlling leadership. I'm sure you've heard of Nero, right?
to keep people from questioning too much, oh you may question but your infected with a virus that eats reason and spits out complacency.
Ah yes...Christianity is a brain washing disease and atheism is the cure...Spare me.
Do you listen to only Christian music?
Psssshhhh...No. My three favorite music artists are Ben Folds, Opeth, and Lamb of God. None of them are Christian. The only Christian music I regularly listen to isn't "JESUS LOVES YOU" music at all...It's along the lines of Emery, As Cities Burn, etc.
I'm a big metalhead. Most of the bands I listen to aren't Christian.
Do you listen to music created by anyone between the 60's and 70's?
I was born and raised a Beatles fan...And then there's always the likes of Queen and Led Zepellin and ZZ Top.
Do you like being a sheep,
I'm not a sheep, sorry. But thanks for stereotyping me!
do you consult God on everyone of life's decisions? If you do, you do not experience life to it's fullest.
No, not on every one. But even if I did, why does that somehow entail that my life isn't being experienced to whatever arbitrary definition of "to it's fullest" that you've pulled out of your nether regions?
Are you waiting for marriage for you know?
Yes. Outside of a religious point of view, it's more practical anyway...No risk of getting an STD or unwanted pregnancy, more enjoyable sex in the future...There's more intimacy.
Do you have a girlfriend?
Not currently, no. I'm "playing the field," if you will.
Do you masturbate?
Look, Cory...I know you want me to do things to you, but it's simply not my style. I'm not interested in men like that. We've already been over this.
If you were born into a godless atheist family would you somehow feel you were missing something in your life?
Of course, this sort of question assumes that the evidence for Christianity would somehow be different if I was born into an atheist family...
How bad would your life have to be, for you to entertain the possibility that there isn't a god watching over you?
I've already entertained that possibility, and my life is awesome. But, among other reasons, I discovered that if God doesn't exist, there is no ultimate purpose to my life, and that idea certainly doesn't make my life any better.
Have you seen this video: http://www3.youtube.com/watch?v=qKb1LXxKNHY
It is full of science. What is your thoughts on this video?
Well, for starters, I think the fact that it has subtitles rolling across the screen at a slower pace than the speed of the man talking is ridiculous and very distracting.
For another, I honestly don't care for the subject matter. It was very boring. It's simply a non-expert rambling.
maybe a new blog is in order!
I doubt it. Science is outside my purview.
I promise to post there also!
Good. I was getting nervous.
When they finish the Human Genome Project will that be enough scientific evidence to make you reevaluate your situation?
Does it bother you to know that the director of the Human Genome Project, Francis S. Collins, is a Christian who has written at least one book on intelligent design?
Also lively discussion can be obtained at the Raving Atheist Forum. I look forward to your responses. peace
If by "lively" you mean "insane and hilarious," then I'll grant you that. Ever since I encountered the wacko who thought Jesus was Caesar, it kind of ruined the forum for me.
That kind of stuff gets put to death real quick at TheologyWeb.com.
Its obvious that I won't win with you and I've got other things that I could be doing. Look for my blog it'll be called Dunnevantisignorant
and will be the hotness. The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins is great reading also,if you have not already. Also I'm sure you have learned everything you need to know in your 17+ years of non-stop learning about Jesus. BTW, speaking of superstitions, I am a gypsy and I have cursed your first born. Can you prove I have not! He will be born an Atheist, but you won't find out until it's too late he does not subscribe to your bullshit. Have you look at this one---
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Snc5AOYt1Ak
lots of similarities don't you think? Do you read the Koran? Why isn't it your fairy tale of choice?
If you don't remove your semen on your own, God will at night when you least suspect it. Is getting jerked off by God a sin?
Its obvious that I won't win with you and I've got other things that I could be doing.
Like trolling someone else's blog and not actually answering anything they've said?
Look for my blog it'll be called Dunnevantisignorant
and will be the hotness.
Please make it. PLEASE!
The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins is great reading also,if you have not already.
I'll pass. When it comes to talking about religion, something outside Dawkins' purview, he's an incompetant. Watching The Root of All Evil almost put me to sleep. If I wanted to read anything by Dawkins, it would be something where he knows what he's talking about.
Also I'm sure you have learned everything you need to know in your 17+ years of non-stop learning about Jesus.
Is there a problem?
BTW, speaking of superstitions, I am a gypsy and I have cursed your first born. Can you prove I have not!
It's not my job to prove that you're not, at leas with this statement. Can you give me verifiable evidence that you are a gypsy?
He will be born an Atheist, but you won't find out until it's too late he does not subscribe to your bullshit.
Well for starters, no one is born anything. We are born ignorant. Once we are presented with the possibility of God's existence, we then accept it or reject it.
Have you look at this one---
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Snc5AOYt1Ak
lots of similarities don't you think?
I watched it. The moment I saw the title, I knew what it would be about. Unfortunately, you picked the wrong person to try your arguments on. I've been putting those arguments to shreds for years now.
But since I don't have the time or the space to put away Mr. Fry's arguments by assertion, let's link you to here:
http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/mithra.html
Do you read the Koran?
Not yet. I'm actually planning on reading it, though.
Why isn't it your fairy tale of choice?
Because the evidence to support it is very weak. While I have not read the Quran, I've read about it.
If you don't remove your semen on your own, God will at night when you least suspect it. Is getting jerked off by God a sin?
Are you high again? Seriously, man...Lay off the mushrooms.
This is so badly done, you are claiming Biblical claims as actual evidence? From the Gospels? The Gospels assembled from dozens to hundreds of scrolls, the Gospels of unknown authorship. you believe, the red sea parted, let me get that straight, you believe the natural laws were suspended and intervened upon for a group of people. What trivial bullcrap, why not just vaporize the egyptians? So obviously ringing of Bronze Age contrivance its not even funny. Look kid, I realize its been a while since you posted this, but that page you are trying to refute is well put together, and I am sorry it makes you angry. CARM is a total joke outfit, its like writings of a 12 year old.
This is so badly done, you are claiming Biblical claims as actual evidence? From the Gospels?
Yes, I am. In fact, historians do too. Historians unanimously agree (and I'm not kidding) that the Gospels can be used as evidence of Jesus's life.
See, real historians, unlike you, don't discount entire books because they have supernatural accounts in them. That's not how the historical method operates.
The Gospels assembled from dozens to hundreds of scrolls,
Just like almost every other historical work. Is there a problem?
the Gospels of unknown authorship.
What is your epistemic test for determining the authorship of a document? How did you come to the conclusion that they are anonymous?
Here's your problem. We have more evidence that the Gospels were written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, than we do that Tacitus wrote the Annals.
you believe, the red sea parted, let me get that straight, you believe the natural laws were suspended and intervened upon for a group of people.
I don't see how the Red Sea being parted "suspends natural laws" at all. Can you show me any natural law that was broken in this instant? And before you answer, think about this. When you pick up a box, is that a "suspention" of the law of gravity?
What trivial bullcrap, why not just vaporize the egyptians?
Undoubtedly, you would say that such an example would be cruelty on the behalf of God. He can never win, can he?
So obviously ringing of Bronze Age contrivance its not even funny.
You most likely have no idea what the Bronze Age actually is, and are merely parroting that statement from someone's signature on your favorite atheism forum.
Look kid, I realize its been a while since you posted this, but that page you are trying to refute is well put together, and I am sorry it makes you angry.
Who are you to call me "Kid?"
It doesn't make me angry. It makes me laugh because it's so demonstratably ignorant. Kind of like this post you just made.
CARM is a total joke outfit, its like writings of a 12 year old.
Name a place in that article where I source CARM.
My primary sources that I use are Tektonics.org and Christian-Thinktank.com, both of which are a great deal more in depth than CARM is.
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